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    I think I hate East Midlands Trains
    October 3rd, 2009 at 00:46

    It’s a bit of a cliché to moan about the railways – the arguments and moans are always the same: “Cuh! The train is always late!”, “The trains are so expensive”, “The staff of East Midlands Trains are like the Stasi”. Clichéd though it may be, this isn’t going to stop me from having a lengthy moan about the,

    Maybe that last complaint is uniquely mine – a few years ago I upset the Midland Mainline press office by writing a newspaper column when I likened their attitude to that of the Stasi. I got a rather frosty reaction from the people at my local station too. “Maybe I was a bit harsh”, I thought at the time, though once again I now feel fully justified, self righteous, and I’m about to mount my high-horse.

    The other day I had to go down to London on business, as part of my new job (that’s right, I’m basically Don Draper now), so thinking it was the sensible thing to do I booked tickets online like I have done many times before. I went down to London, did the sort of jet-setting important business you’d expect someone of my stature to do, before heading back to St Pancras to catch the train home.

    Because I’d booked online, I’d ended up with “Advance” tickets, assuming they worked like they always have – whilst the return train isn’t tied to any particular time, the seat reservation is, but that I could catch any off-peak train back with the ticket I’d paid for.

    If any train spotters are reading, you can probably predict the horror that was about to unfold as I boarded the train. I put my advance ticket into the ticket-gates, they swung open, seemingly verifying my preconception, I boarded the train, found a seat and tried to decide whether reading New Humanist or The Guardian would make me look more important to the other passengers.

    The ticket inspector came along the carriage checking tickets, I presented mine expecting no problems only to be told that my ticket wasn’t valid. I calmly explained that this had never happened before, but the ticket inspector wouldn’t budge – he insisted that I had to buy a whole new ticket. “Oh, fair enough, it’ll only be something like £11 as it’s a single in the middle of the day”, I thought. Then he dropped a bombshell: the ticket would cost me FIFTY-ONE POUNDS. I think I looked visibly shocked – and the woman sitting opposite me looked as horrified as I did. The ticket man explained that if I’d changed my tickets at the station it’d have been somewhere in the region of £14… but because I’d got on the train he was going to charge me £51 – this despite the ticket machine he was holding clearly being able to issue a variety of suitable fares. I asked him about railcards and the like, but he said it was “company policy” to charge the full fare.

    I was furious, but remained calm as I handed over my card – before asking, in a sort of passive-aggressive way what the complaints procedure was, hoping that he’d let me off.

    What enrages me about this whole experience is that East Midlands Trains were technically in the right, their small-print and “policy” had got me… but morally, I don’t know how Ian Dobbs, chief executive of Stagecoach’s rail arm can sleep at night. How can a company so ruthlessly enforce such arbitrary rules and metaphorically shit all over their customers?

    At risk of sounding like a left-winger who’s much older than I am, the problem seems to be linked to nationalisation of the railways. Not the de-linking of infrastructure from train operation, or the impenetrable topography of who-owns-what, which has de-incentivised train operators from improving their service, but the complete removal of any accountability of the companies operating the trains. Because of the way the trains are operated, the commuters rage – our rage – is completely impotent.

    One of the key ideas in capitalism is that it empowers the consumer by allowing them to “vote” with their money – if they don’t like a product or service, they can stop buying it and force the companies to change to win them back… that’s basic economics. The problem is that there is no competition for trains. Don’t be a smart-arse and say “what about national express?” or “what about walking?”, I mean actually plausible alternatives – and besides, bus and train operators are all eventually owned by a small handful of bastard parent companies anyway.

    So basically East Midlands Trains have a free hand in treating their (whether they like it or not) loyal customers like shit, wringing as much cash as they can out of them for providing such a basic service. I feel completely powerless.

    At least if we had a nationalised railway there’d be some political responsibility, and more crucially the whole ethos of the “business” would be about providing an affordable service and getting people to their destinations, not about maximising profits. Hell, a nationalised railway might even run services over night at a loss – something that they’re going to have to start doing for me to give up driving and enable us to achieve  the “low-carbon future” that we so desperately need to do something about.

    I wouldn’t even mind paying the penalty fare if the prices were not so wildly taking the piss – the ludicrous disparity in peak and off-peak ticket pricing, and the high prices in general create essentially an apartheid system, where if I want to catch a train earlier in the morning, I probably need to be earning a six-figure salary or I should forget about it.

    I think essentially what I’m trying to say is that trains are very frustrating. And I loath East Midlands Trains with a passion.

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    1. Anon Amouse
      October 6th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

      Hello,
      I’ve been reading your blog for a a while now, but this story really hit a sore spot with me. Back in early September I flew back to the UK from a holiday in Spain with my lovely Fiancée. Prior to the trip I had planned everything with a freakish military like precision. We stayed in London visiting Friends and Family for a day or two after which I was going to escort my better half to Gatwick as she was flying “home” to Italy to see family for a while and after she had left I was going to catch a train back up to Birmingham where I live.
      After dropping her at Gatwick and saying our goodbyes I made my way across London to Euston to get the first train back to Birmingham. The train was due to leave at 15:24 and it was around 15:05 at the time, I figured I had plenty of time to pop into Smiths to pick up a magazine and a bottle of water for my return trip (rather than having to donate a kidney and sell my soul to Beardy Branson to get a drink on the train).
      This is where it all started to go horribly wrong. Smiths had decided that employing a highly evolved ape fell under their equal opportunities scheme, its political correctness gone mad. I had exactly two items, which were repeatedly rung up on the till incorrectly causing the friendly ape to attempt to charge me £30+ pounds the first time and it took a while to get right. I had exact change too (a mistake I know, I should have paid by debit card) which the friendly star of this part of the story proceeded to count out very very slowly (especially after she/he/it ran out of fingers and toes.)
      The result of the adventures in Smiths made me miss my train, yes buying two items had taken almost 20 mins, and as I ran down the platform the train pulled away.

      No problem I thought, there is another in a bit just before 16:00 in fact. I’ll sit down read my magazine a little and chill out while waiting, which I did, when the next train came I sat down and settled in for my super fast pendeleno service home. Just before the train pulled out of the station the manager put out an announcement telling people that travelling on a ticket labelled for “London Midland” only wasn’t permitted on Virgin trains, I double checked mine satisfied that I wouldn’t have an issue and thinking that the privatising of the railways had gone a hell of a long way towards confusing matters. British Rail might have been only semi competent under archiving civil servant, but they were OUR semi competent under archiving civil servants. British Rail was run as a service, rather than for profit, as our transport system should be. There was a rather attractive young lady with a rather short skirt on sat facing me on the seat adjacent to mine, and prior to plugging in my iPod I over heard her on the Phone to her partner asking if her ticket was valid on the train she was on. It was the same ticket I had I noted and it appeared whoever she was speaking to put her mind at rest, but at the time I didn’t think much of it..
      Anyway, as we sped towards home I was looking forward to getting back to my bed, I was engrossed in a book I had taken with me but hadn’t read much of, it had been a great holiday but I was a bit tired and wanted to sleep before work. Along came the ticket inspector/train manager or whatever they call themselves these days (chief of the Virgin Secret Police and Pervert Division seems a fitting job title) and without looking up from my book I passed him my ticket. He bearly looked at it, prior to putting it in his pocket and stating without explanation “Seventy Pounds” and pulling his mobile ticketing printing machine to the front.

      I pulled my iPod buds out of my ears, surely I had misheard something, I looked up to him with suprise… and the converstation went something like.
      “Excuse me”
      “Seventy Pounds”
      “Yes I thought you said that…..What for?”
      “Seventy Pounds to travel on this train!”
      “I’m sorry you’ve just put my ticket into your pocket, I’m not going to give you seventy pounds”
      “I’m afraid you don’t have any choice”
      “I’m sorry, I really don’t understand, please explain, I’ve never experienced this before, why have you put my ticket in your pocket, and why are you demanding money from me?”
      “Your ticket isn’t valid sir, its an off peak ticket.”
      “I’m sorry I thought peak time was before 09:30? Am I mistaken?”
      “You left from London, London has different peak times than the rest of the country, any train after 15:30 is peak”
      “You have to understand, an ape made me miss my train….”
      “Seventy pounds”
      “You like demanding money don’t you, look I’m sorry but your communication has been terrible, I’m sorry if I have made a mistake, I genuinely wasn’t aware that after 15:30 was “peak” and the train is nearly empty….”
      “You have to pay me Seventy Pounds”
      “But I have a ticket, I’m a paying customer who has simply made an honest mistake, my entire return, including gatwick express ticket wasn’t more than £60 how can it be £70 one way on an half empty train to Birmingham?”

      Clearly he was getting exasperated at this stage by the well dressed gentleman who refused to simply give him £70 and it was visable on his face that he was getting angry with the conversation, so he tried a different tac…
      “Sir, if you don’t pay me seventy pounds I will have you arrested”

      Really? He went there…. Well now I’m really not going to co-operate.
      “Really, what will you have me arrested for?”
      “Trespass”
      “Go on then”
      His face dropped, he clearly hadn’t anticipated the answer and figured that mentioning the police would scare the living daylights out of me and make me cough up my money.
      “Sir this is no joking matter.”
      “I’m not joking, I like how you’ve reverted to calling me Sir though, thank you some manners at last, now if you want to have me arrested do so, I refuse to give you seventy pounds, I think it amounts to daylight robbery, and I shall inform the police and your employers of your actions, and theft of my invalid ticket, it had great sentimental value you know.”

      His face fell even further, he looked at me, as if sizing me up, I’m not a small guy but was simply smiling and trying to look as calm and none threatening as I could.
      “Sir we will have you removed at the next station.”

      To which I replied

      “Ah now thats reasonable, I made a honest mistake, I do not mind removing myself at the next station and waiting until a train, which my ticket is valid on comes by to jump on.”

      He seemed pleased that the situation was defused and gave me back my ticket when I reminded him of it, and carried on his ticket collecting duties.

      Then the thing which really bugged me happened. The rather attractive young lady I mentioned earlier in my story, she had an off peak ticket too. I had heard her very clearly say at the beginning of the journey to the voice at the other end of the phone, he collected her ticket, looked at it, looked at her, looked her up and down very clearly letching. She shifted a little uncomfortably in her chair and then it happened. The worst thing of all this story. He handed her ticket back to her without a word and moved on.

      She looked at me with surprise, and when he left the carriage stated that she was sorry I had to get off and confirmed that indeed she was travelling on an off peak ticket, we compared tickets, they were identical apart from final destination.

      And then the train pulled into Milton Keynes and I had to disembark to sit around in the middle of nowhere for hours, cursing my stubbornness. I could have simply paid the man, but my principles got in the way. That day I resolved that next time I travel virgin trains I’ll simply need to not wear a suit, but instead a short skirt, it seems to be the only travel attire these days.

    2. 30FLondon
      October 31st, 2009 at 7:26 pm

      It may be a cliché to moan about the railways but when they affect one’s life as they do – it’s impossible not to take their disservice personally.

      I recently got to a train on time but the doors had already shut. I was a damsel in distress with a suitcase bigger than myself. When I tried to open the door a conductor stuck his head out of the door window saying it was too late to get on, something about health and safety. The train then stayed in the platform for a further SEVEN minutes waiting for a green light.

    3. bras0778
      November 17th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

      Of course, the inspector’s ticket machine can issue many cheap tickets. But they need to punish people who don’t deliberately buy the wrong ticket, or no ticket at all – a course of action you’ve repeatedly advocated. You entered into a contract (the National Conditions of Carriage) agreeing this, when you bought your ticket. Nobody forced you to.

      Actually, I’m being a bit harsh. It’s great you using public transport. And I’ve been in similar situations, and I felt the same as you. It’s not nice when you finally discover ‘I am not The Most Important Person In The World’, and yes, the rules *do* apply to me.

      Yes, it’s dead annoying to suffer for an honest mistake. But what mistake did the “ticketmonkeys” make when you made their lives a misery on previous occasions? Trying to earn an honest living? It seems the “ticketmonkeys” have the last laugh on this one….

    4. jason
      December 9th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

      It sounds to me that you don’t know how the railway works. Advanced tickets are for people who can not afford to travel at full price, but they have to travel on the train clearly stated on the ticket. It’s your responsibility as a customer to make sure you board the right train. By all means ask the staff which train you need to board (they are actually willing to help you).
      On a personal note, i don’t like it when people like you moan about having to pay full fair having only paid £14.00. I pay full fair to give me the flexibility of the services i can travel on. It’s as simple as that.

      Thanks for listening.

    5. 30FLondon
      December 9th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

      In response to Jason’s comment, I can appreciate where he is coming from.

      BUT

      The ticketing service is beyond complicated, and for monetary purposes, when it is cheaper travel from London to another city by buying two separate singles that isn’t fair.

      The system is antiquated and needs to be updated to complement modern fast-paced life.

    6. Rail Worker
      December 15th, 2009 at 11:26 am

      As a Train Manager of a train company,I felt the need to respond.

      Most of us agree that the ticket system is wrong and indeed needs updating. However, we MAY use our descretion when situations arise.

      To be quite honest – I’m quite tight with tickets. I’m paid to do my job – and if I’m not going about it properly, then there’s no point in even checking the tickets.

      BUT – if someone approaches me BEFORE we leave, and explains the situation, I ALWAYS let them travel.

      If I happen upon them, then they are shitty with me, even abusive. Then there’s no way I’m onna help them. Full fare – as advertised.

      So. Basically. If you’re unsure about your ticket, check before you travel. AND the station staff in the main are NOT ticket trained – ask someone that works onboard.

      If necessary – upgrade your ticket before travel – it’s much cheaper to do so. The only tickets available on the train are Anytime Sinle or Return tickets – previously called Open.

      If you do have a situation where you missed your train – find the Train Manager/Guard and explain to them. Contrary to popular belief – we aren’t all tossers, although I must admit – there are a few.

      Above all else – be ok with the guy/gal on the train – they’re hardly gonna bend over backwards for you if your gonna be an ignorant or arrogant arsehole!

      Cheers

    7. Anon_Sheffield
      May 12th, 2010 at 10:34 am

      A similar thing happened to me yesterday. I normally have an anytime ticket booked by our company, but for some reason I was booked an advance ticket.

      My meeting finished early so I took the 13.30 return St pancras – sheffield instead of 15.00

      Showed my ticket at the barrier prior to boarding “ok boss”, put it in the machine – no problem.

      Train was virtually empty, sets off, guard arrives

      “this isn’t the right ticket, you are going to have to get off at leicester and wait for the correct train, or buy a new ticket”

      me – “but the train is empty – look, do you honestly think it will be full between here and sheffield?”

      “sorry the rules are the rules, you could be depriving someone of their seat(!)”

      me – “can’t believe this, ok how much is a ticket” (the round trip price was £147 – return leg cost £42)

      “£90″ (yes that’s right ninety english pounds)

      So, what choice did I have £90 or get off, or refuse and be arrested by the BTP upon arrival at Leicester?

      So, I left one half empty train and sat at Leicester for 1.5 hours in the freezing cold, and boarded the train I was supposed to be on, which was half empty as well.

      And the point was……..????

      Look, I know rules are rules, but for lord’s sake why can’t some of these people apply a bit of common sense to a situation? I am not a master criminal trying to deprive them of income, or inconvenience someone on a peak journey.

      And just to rub salt into the wound, the 2nd half of the journey between Leicester and Sheffield,nobodys tickets were checked….

    8. Ryan Taylor
      July 14th, 2010 at 10:18 am

      I have never met a satisfied passenger on East Midlands Trains, I no longer travel with them so as not to support their “penny pinching policies”.

      Anyway one of many horror stories I could tell, the train left about 3 minutes early, meaning I missed it as the bus was running a little bit late. Well done East Midlands you have lost me part of my evenings pay and the train is three minutes ahead of schedule.

      There “revenue protection” staff I think seem to be half troll half human, they are certainly not selected for their charm and grace. Already being late I walked past the lady as I need to get to work before I lost any more of my wages. She then thought it would be appropriate to grab hold of me and then proceed to stare me down, because she did not have a cat in hells chance of me handing over my ticket to a women, who would make Shrek look like Santa Clause. Anyway she started shouting for the cavalry to come and they did.

      Most of them stood around clucking and giggling, as East Midlands Trains staff seems to do, when present with an awkward customer. Then a nice lady came and diffused the situation, I handed my ticket to here, as she was polite and respectful of me.

      It seems to me East Midlands Trains staff need, to learn the word respect and they customers wouldn’t be so snotty with them.

      Say NO to East Midlands Trains and other Stagecoach operated contracts also say NO to First contracts as they are part of Stagecoach group. Say YES to Arriva operated services.

    9. Pete Storman
      May 14th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

      When did First become part of Stagecoach? Lol

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