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    EU don’t get a vote
    March 9th, 2008 at 02:08

    Parliament had a vote last week to decide whether or not there will be a referendum on whether we ratify the thrilling new European Reform Treaty. The parties all had their positions cler – Labour didn’t want a referendum, the Tories did, and the LibDems got the wrong end of the stick entirely, and thought they were discussing whether to actually be in the EU or not. Idiots.

    Nick Clegg really has baffled me with his party’s ridiculous stance: “forget the treaty, lets have a referendum on whether to stay in the EU or not”… which is mental. Its like the LibDems have seen the polls and have thought “the public want to vote on something… so lets give them a poll on any old question, just not the important one”. It’s a bit odd to say the least, as no one (apart from some crackpots on the lunatic fringe) have actually said that being in the EU in general is a bad idea… its like two people arguing over whether they prefer Adam Hart Davis’s science programmes or his history programmes, only for a third person to suggest that rather than pick science or history, everyone decide whether they like Adam Hart-Davis in the first place or not… which is stupid, because that’s not up for discussion, as it goes without saying that everyone thinks he’s great.

    I’m quite pleased with the result though – I don’t think there should be a referendum. I hate to agree with Ken Clarke because agreeing with a Tory is like intellectual self-harm, but having actually watched a bit of the debate-on-whether-to-have-a-referendum on BBC Parliament (because I was trying to do literally the most boring thing I could have been doing at that time), he said that people elect politicians to make the important decisions for them*, because lets face it… why should we listen to the man on the street? What does the Sun reading white-van driver know about the finer points and technicalities of managing European integration? If the man on the street was in charge, we’d have bought back the death penalty and would have constructed a giant wall around Britain with robotic lasers that automatically target immigrants. The general public are idiots.

    I can, however, sympathise, with the crackpots who think more highly of the general public than I do, and think that the ignorant masses should get a say, as that’s what democracy is all about, isn’t it? If I was deciding whether we should have a referendum or not then, I’d have a caveat that the public should be informed. And if they want the public to be informed, then the general public must be engaged and interested. Which is more difficult than it sounds.

    European-level politics are supremely tedious to all but the most enthusiastic technocrats. What do the public care about? The Common Agricultural Policy? Nah. Trade tariffs? Nah. Representation and democratic deficits? Not even that. There’s literally nothing in the new treaty that is even slightly interesting. Being partially colour-blind and only able to see beige and being partially deaf and only being able to hear Heart FM are the only things analogous to the contents of the treaty.

    Hell, I’m a politics student and I haven’t read the new treaty, nor really know what it contains, because its so supremely dull, and I imagine I’m in the tiny minority who might stand a chance of being interested in this sort of thing.

    I think if they want a referendum, they need to change the treaty to engage the people and reflect things they’re actually interested in. Which is why I think if there is going to be a referendum, the treaty needs to have provisions for reforming the Eurovision voting system**. Fuck qualified majority voting thresholds, that’s what the general public really care about.

    Lets face it – the only European political issue that can really get people worked up is the annual outrage over the political voting during the Eurovision Song Contest – when Cyprus always give Greece 12 points, and the ethnic mish-mash of former-Yugoslavia all voting for their respective mother countries, and the Balkan bloc-vote, and so on. This is obviously in greater need of reform than the European Parliament, because how can it be fair that Malta, population approximately 4, have the same voting weight as Germany, population 82 million? Especially on an issue as important as who has the best song.

    If the government wanted a referendum on the treaty that they’d be guaranteed to win, all they have to do is get into the treaty a clause weighting each country’s voting weight to be relative to their populations make up 75% of the points, and then satisfy the small countries by making the final 25% of the points awarded come from an equal number from each individual state – pretty much the same system as you have in the US government, with the House of Representatives having congressmen from each state relative to their respective populations and then the Senate having two senators from each state.

    This could be a revolution in European politics as what goes on Brussels will become relevant to the people of Europe – come May 2009 they’ll be a tangible event that people can associate with an EU decision. So who’s with me?

    (* Chomsky, in the introduction to Media Control, also gives barring the public from managing their own affairs as a definition of the concept of democracy… which makes me feel a bit better about things)

    (** I know Eurovision has nothing to do with the EU, but the EU should take it on board as a core competency)

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    1. Arthur Embleton
      March 9th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

      Interesting write up. I know plenty of people who want to get out of Europe, and just become a trading partner much like Norway so I think there is a bigger question to be asked of whether we stay in Europe and get out and the only people who should decide that are the public as they are the ones who have to live with the consequences one way or the other and the ones who moan about it – the politicians mostly like the idea of Europe.

      As for this treaty/constitution, I believe that it weighs in at over 40 pages. Perhaps, it should be required to fit onto, say, no more than 2 sides of A4 in 10pt text. That should help cut the legalese and ensure that what is necessary for a constitution is in there and what can be passed to the government(s) to legislate is not in there. 40+ pages is far too long. I don’t know how big the American constitution is, but that’s the sort of thing we need.

    2. The French
      March 10th, 2008 at 2:54 am

      I think the decision not to give a referendum is nothing short of shambolic.

      Its outrageous that all three main parties can promise a referendum on a subject, and when it comes to it, the government can vote against it because… it got RENAMED, of all things, the liberal democrats can be whipped to not vote at all, and the tories only supported it because it sounds like something to do with johnny foreigner.

      I cant help but agree the general public would be hopeless at voting objectively on the subject of the treaty/constitution, but it really is nothing but the debasement of politics and utter contempt for the electorate to break that elected mandate and not vote for a referendum.

      (I too have contempt for the electorate but then its not my fucking job to please them, is it?)

    3. Amir Thompson
      June 6th, 2010 at 5:09 am

      That tune is really incredible, and I’m not even into that kind of music! I really like it!

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