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    Catholicism: Now with added salvation
    April 21st, 2007 at 18:15

    One thing that never fails to amuse me, other than watching videos of people hurt themselves on YouTube, is the overwhelming hypocrisy of organised religion.

    Apparently, the Catholic church have had a committee decide to abolish ‘limbo’. As far as I can tell, this ban extends to both the dance and the half-way place between Heaven and Hell.

    It turns out that despite the Bible being the divine word of God, full of infinite wisdom and being 100% correct for all of eternity, that a sub-committee of religious types can change what God has said and/or done. I don’t understand how they can do this so obviously without undermining their entire religion.

    “We’re closing down limbo after extensive public consultation and a build up there of dead unbaptized babies”.

    “But God said that there’s a limbo, and he’s always right, because God’s brilliant”

    “Yeah, well we just re-read the Bible and it turns out that if Catholic recruiters in Africa are having a hard time selling it because of the child mortality there, then we’re allowed to tell everyone that the babies go to heaven after all”

    “But if mankind can change what God has to say at will, doesn’t that mean that the Bible isn’t in fact the work of some greater being?”

    “Shut Up.”

    According to the linked article, St Augustine said that unbaptized babies go to hell. They changed this in the Middle Ages to Limbo… and now they’re saying they go to Heaven. This is a complete U-turn on the part of the Catholic church. This doesn’t strike me as a very… divine.

    It’s slightly odd that they seem to be changing the religion for PR reasons. In Africa there’s loads of child mortality and not many baptisms, and Islam has a much more attractive system than “your dead kids are going to limbo”, so they’ve changed their product to suit the market. Why don’t they just do a New Coke and completely reinvent the product? People seem to like Islam, so why not chuck in a few new daily prayers and turn your spires into domes? History has consistently proved that (Biblical) God is little more than a fictional mascot, like Uncle Ben or the Honey Monster so they could take an, er, “nothing is sacred” approach and completely remodel the entire Catholic church?

    How about a new version of the Bible for the web 2.0 era? They could write is using a Wiki. That’s a bit like how the first Bible was written anyway: by a number of authors that looks accurate on the surface, but is actually riddled with inaccuracies.

    I think there are problems with the current Bible (v1.0). I don’t like its ‘holier than thou’ attitude. I just think its bizarre that religious people can re-read it and come up with completely different conclusions. And doesn’t this make religion seem farcical?

    When the Catholic church put Galileo under house arrest for suggesting that the solar system is heliocentric, it later did a massive U-turn and decided that he was in fact right after having another flick through their Bible. Does that mean the Pope at the time of Galileo who had condemned him is now sitting up in Heaven? Surely God wouldn’t reward someone who falsely imprisoned a great scientist?

    Similarly, all of those dead babies that originally went to Hell… are they actually in Heaven? Have they all been given a compulsory purchase order on their homes in Hell and been moved to Heaven? How does this work?

    I think the answer is that it doesn’t.

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    1. jh
      April 21st, 2007 at 9:24 pm

      Goodness WHERE TO START!!!!

      First may I suggest this Catholic News Service Article that actually seems to have seen some of the document itself. If you are truly interested in learning what the Churches position is please read it in full
      http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0702216.htm

      Ok Read it? Quite different than what you are readin gin the PRess right? Don’t worry this is nothing new. I saw this a couple of weeks ago when the Pope said a few sentences on Hell and in hours the there wwere made up quotes from the Pope. Oh well, I am sure you are fair young man.

      First,lets clear up a few misconceptions. Just because St Augustine said it or Saint X thought it, it doesnt mean its Catholic Doctrine. The Church has always been careful not to make Limbo or any statement where unbaptized children go Dogma in the past. Why Because we don’t clearly know. The Early Church pondered it, the medival Church pondered it, we ponder it. That might not fit the perception of the Catholic Church that many people have. But on this question as well as many its answer is that we must trust in the mercy of God. Sorry if that doesn’t fit someones cartoon version of the Church but its fact.

      Now to individual parts of your post

      You said
      “Apparently, the Catholic church have had a committee decide to abolish ‘limbo’. As far as I can tell, this ban extends to both the dance and the half-way place between Heaven and Hell.”

      Actually nothing has been abolished. The Church is not saying one cannot believe in a place or state called Limbo. It is also difficult to abolish something that is not doctrine

      You said
      “It turns out that despite the Bible being the divine word of God, full of infinite wisdom and being 100% correct for all of eternity, that a sub-committee of religious types can change what God has said and/or done. I don’t understand how they can do this so obviously without undermining their entire religion.”

      Again read the link I gave you.
      “Limbo has never been defined as church dogma and is not mentioned in the current Catechism of the Catholic Church, which states simply that unbaptized infants are entrusted to God’s mercy.”

      “Rather, there are reasons to hope that God will save these infants precisely because it was not possible to do for them that what would have been most desirable — to baptize them in the faith of the church and incorporate them visibly into the body of Christ,” it said.

      The commission said hopefulness was not the same as certainty about the destiny of such infants.

      “It must be clearly acknowledged that the church does not have sure knowledge about the salvation of unbaptized infants who die,” it said”

      This is common knowledge to any educated Catholic. Oh by the way the “Bible” doesn’t clearly address what happens to Unbaptized” infants which sort of leaves your point here well pointless

      You said
      “According to the linked article, St Augustine said that unbaptized babies go to hell. They changed this in the Middle Ages to Limbo… and now they’re saying they go to Heaven. This is a complete U-turn on the part of the Catholic church. This doesn’t strike me as a very… divine.”

      Well again addressed above. Again never Dogma or Doctrine and various ideas have been floated around from some big heavy hitters

      YOu mention the stuff on Africa but I have no idea where you are getting that from

      “Similarly, all of those dead babies that originally went to Hell… are they actually in Heaven? Have they all been given a compulsory purchase order on their homes in Hell and been moved to Heaven? How does this work?”

      The Catholic Church has never taught dead babies go to hell. You might be suprised that the Catholic Chruch has not declared that anyone is in hell(thought I suspect there are) because it is nbot privy to such knowledge. It is privy to the fact that hell exist. Again it is time to put away childish things and engage such things as relgion and philosophy and people’s beliefs systems as they exist in reality and what they really believe instead of cartoon versions

      I don’t have the time to engage your Galleo statement but is clear you don’t know what you are totally talking about. Put it in a seperate post and I shall engage it.

      JH
      Louisiana

    2. Dave
      April 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 pm

      Oh, come on JH. It’s a load of bollocks anyway. I read James’ post here and was glad that people are realising now that it’s silly. It’s only a matter of time before religion starts to fade from society. Byebye :)

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